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Sutekh The Destroyer
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Bad Wolf Explanation

ok here we go again...

good=satisfied totally.
bad=not satisfied at all.
ugly=good idea, but not done well.
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Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:08 pm

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I really enjoyed it.
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Deako
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Me too.
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Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:59 pm

sciscens
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I was a bit dissapointed because I had thought of way more complex theories than the actual solution to the bad wolf problem. But of course the solution couldn't be too difficult as Doctor Who is a series for children.

And in the end I'm satisfied with the explanation, but I still wish to know why anyone would want to call their business the Bad Wolf Corporation.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:21 pm

Sutekh The Destroyer
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sorry guys doctor who is made for everyone not just kids.... and i was disappointed that they didn't stay true to doctor who and make it more complicated... they whimped out....
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sciscens
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Sutekh The Destroyer wrote:

sorry guys doctor who is made for everyone not just kids.... and i was disappointed that they didn't stay true to doctor who and make it more complicated... they whimped out....

But they want children to be attracted to the series too. And how can you keep your viewers watching when they can't understand your explanations. You still watch the show because it's relaxing. But having your viewers think too much makes some of them feel watching the show is kind of like work.
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:06 pm

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I think that I qualify as a child (What with being 13 and all) and I would have liked a more complex ending... For God's sake, I read The Iliad and understud it, so...
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:13 pm

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If they talk about wanting the series to appeal to children, I'd think of children starting at the age of about 8 or 9 years old.

And I don't believe that you can compare your thinking capacity with that of an 8-year old. (Or maybe you're just really bright) On the other hand, if they mean children your age to be the core viewers, they should upgrade the level of difficulty there is to the stories.
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:22 pm

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For those who still do not get the entire Bad Wolf scenario, then here it is:

During her first year of travel with the Doctor, the words "Bad Wolf" followed the Doctor and Rose around, the phrase being scattered like clues through the places that they visited. In The Parting of the Ways, it was revealed that Rose was the Bad Wolf — the words were a message that she had left to herself in time and space when she absorbed the energies of the spacetime vortex to save the Doctor and the Earth from the Daleks. The Doctor had just returned her home to place her out of harm's way, but "Bad Wolf" was a reminder that it was possible to get back to the Doctor. This led her to the point where she would absorb the energies and make it possible not just to destroy the Daleks but to leave those clues, creating a predestination paradox.

However, the energies she absorbed were destroying her body. The Doctor took those energies into himself, sacrificing his ninth incarnation and regenerating before Rose's eyes into the Tenth Doctor.

A predestination paradox, also called a causal loop or causality loop, is a paradox of time travel that is often used as a convention in science fiction. It exists when a time traveller is caught in a loop of events that "predestines" him to travel back in time. This paradox is in some ways the opposite of the grandfather paradox, the famous example of the traveller killing his own grandfather before his parent is born, thereby precluding his own travel to the past by cancelling his own existence.

Because of the possibility of influencing the past while time travelling, one way of explaining why history does not change is by saying that whatever has happened was meant to happen. A time traveller attempting to alter the past in this model, intentionally or not, would only be fulfilling his role in creating history, not changing it. The Novikov self-consistency principle proposes that contradictory causal loops cannot form, but that consistent ones can.

A typical example of a predestination paradox is as follows:

A person travels back in time to discover the cause of a famous fire. While in the building where the fire started, he or she accidentally knocks over a kerosene lantern and causes a fire, the same fire that would inspire him or her, years later, to travel back in time.

Another example:

A man travels back in time and impregnates his great-great-grandmother. She would thus give birth to one of the man's great-grandparents, who would then give birth to his grandmother or grandfather, who would then be able to give birth to one of the man's parents, and finally to the man himself who would have to travel back in time in order to ensure his own existence.

A variation on the predestination paradox which involves information, rather than objects, travelling through time is similar to the self-fulfilling prophecy:

A man receives information about his own future, telling him that he will die from a heart attack. He resolves to get fit so as to avoid that fate, but in doing so overexerts himself, causing him to suffer the heart attack that kills him.

In all three examples, causality is turned on its head, as the flanking events are both causes and effects of each other, and this is where the paradox lies. In the first example, the person would not have travelled back in time but for the fire that he or she caused by travelling back in time. Similarly, in the third example, the man would not have overexerted himself but for the future information he receives. In the second example, the man's very existence would be pre-determined by his time traveling adventure. This also raises the paradox of which came first — the time travel or his existence (see below).

In most examples of the predestination paradox, the person travels back in time and ends up fulfilling his or her role in an event that has already occurred. In a self-fulfilling prophecy, the person is fulfilling his or her role in an event that has yet to occur, and it is usually information that travels in time (for example, in the form of a prophecy) rather than a person. In either situation, the attempts to avert the course of past or future history both fail.
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:25 pm

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Here are some other famous examples of the similar paradox:

Movies in the Terminator series deal with predestination paradoxes. In the first movie, Reese, the soldier sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor, the future mother of his commander John Connor, ends up fathering John Connor with her. Paralleling this, the Terminator cyborg sent back to kill Sarah is destroyed, but its components are salvaged to form the basis of the artificially intelligent computer network Skynet that will, in the future, send it back in time on its murderous mission.

In the Stargate SG-1 episode "1969", a wormhole transports the SG-1 team to 1969, where they are arrested as communist spies. One of their guards, Lieutenant George Hammond, who will be their commanding officer in the future, finds a note in Samantha Carter's equipment. The note, in Hammond's own handwriting, states, "George, help them." Because of this, the younger Hammond helps SG-1 escape. In his relative future, General Hammond will remember the incident and write the note, giving it to Carter just prior to SG-1 leaving through the wormhole, thus closing the loop.
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:31 pm

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Very Basically- Rose looked into the TARDIS, asnd the Vortex got inside her. She can manipullst time, and did so, placing the words Bad Wolf wherever she goes. She also manipulsted time by destroying Daleks and brining Jack to life.
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