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Zhord
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I'm currently reading the last book of the "classic" Doctor Who, which includes the 8th Doctor, called "Gallifrey Chronicles."
It is based just after the Time War, and the Doc's companions, Fiz and Trix seem to know that the Doctor is lieing to them pretending to have lost his memory when really he is trying to hush up what happened in the Time War.
The 8th Doctor seems to appear more shakey and nervous than the other Doctors and appears to live off chance, rather than making up his own path.
One Time Lord survived the war as he was an old man who lived on Earth, who dies and regenerates into his 13th life. Once young again, he tries to search for Gallifrey using technology, but realising that it is not there...
... And neither are the Time Lords. Using the technology, he discovers that THE DOCTOR DESTROYED GALLIFREY AND MANY OTHER WORLDS in order to defeat the Daleks.
We also know that IT IS THE EIGTH DOCTOR WHO FIGHTS IN THE WAR.
I'm only half way through it and will post below when I discover more facts. I would recommend reading the book.
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Zhord
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I've read the book, "The Gallifrey Chronicles" so if you are planning to read it yourself, then look away now!
A Time Lord called Marnel travles in his TARDIS to The Shoal, an area in space that not even the Time Lord's dare to go. He believes that The Vore, these super-bugs are threatening to destroy Gallifrey so he tries to destory them before they destory Gallifrey.
However, the Vore were not planning to destory Gallifrey - but now since the Time Lords struck first, the Vore use their planet to travel to Gallifrey.
On Gallifrey, the Time Lords banish Marnel to Earth in 1883, erasing his memories.
Back on Gallifrey, as the war rages on, the Doctor destroys his homeworld in order to defeat the Vore. Him and Trix escaping in Marnel's Type 40 TARDIS which he later uses as his own (So he DOES get a new TARDIS according to the book).
However, the Doctor has lost his memory as well. By coincidence, he meets Marnel, who had regenerated into his 13th incarnation and the Vore had followed them to Earth and begin an invasion.
The Doctor learns what Marnel had done after Marnel had criticised the Doctor for the death of the Time Lords. Marnel dies, saving the Doctor, who banishes the Vore to the 5th Dimension.
Back on Earth, a huge "termite hill" that some of the Vore are breeding in remains. The Doctor talks to his companions Trix and Fitz saying that he has to jump down the "10 mile drop" of the ant-hill/mountain and that he might not come back as he is now.
The Doctor tugs as his frock coat for the last time and he jumps..
(Well that was part of the Time War. I don't know where the Daleks come in, there is reference to a being controlling the Vore, but I guess they wanted the Daleks to stay secret for the new series.)
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Deako
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Does the Doctor'snewTARDIS look like a police box, too? (I use the word 'new' very loosely as this book is obviously set a fair few years back!)
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Zhord
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I dunno what happened to the Doctor's "old" TARDIS, but I think it was destroyed so he stole a Type 40 TARDIS which is the "latest" model. He changed it deliberately into the police box.
However, I don't think they kept this in the new series and dismissed the fact that it was a Type 40 and, as far as I am aware, it is the SAME old TARDIS.
The reason why the TARDIS's interior changed was good though, apparentyl in the book, a nuclear bomb was about to blow up so the Doctor threw it into the TARDIS, and although the inside was damaged, nothing happened on the outside. It then gives reference in saying the Doctor will redecorate it again.
The book just came out this year and is set in the present. However, since the Doctor had lost his memory, he had flashbacks every so often so the story would reveal what happened, bit by bit.
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:59 am |
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Deako
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Cool!  Tell me how it works out in the end.
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Zhord
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The ending is left on a cliffhanger..
"The Doctor tugs as his frock coat for the last time and he jumps.. "
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:44 am |
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Deako
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Buy the next book. Read it. Then, tell me how it works out in the end! 
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Zhord
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There is no next book. "The Gallifrey Chronicles" is the last book of the 8th Doctor. The next book is the 9th Doctor in "The Clockwise Man."
We can only assume that the Doctor saved the Earth but in doing so, died and regenerated hence the "tugs his fock perhaps for the last time" quote.
Unless they do make the next book (which I doubt cos of the 9th Doctor) then I will defo buy it and read it.
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Zhord
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The Time War is an event referred to on several occasions in the 2005 series of the long running British science fiction television series Doctor Who. Although the series has yet to show any of the events of the Time War on screen, some fans have speculated that the war was responsible for the Eighth Doctor's regeneration into the Ninth.
The term Time War can be applied to at least two types of time-spanning conflicts in the Doctor Who universe. The first type of time war is where the two sides are fighting the war across different points in history, separated by centuries or millennia. The second type of time war is where Time itself is used as a weapon, with pre-emptive strikes, time loops, temporal paradoxes and the reversal of historical events. The Time War of the 2005 series appears to be of the latter variety.
The Time War of the 2005 series should not be confused with the War against the Enemy that features in several of the spin-off novels in the Eighth Doctor Adventures series. It is implied in the various spin-off media that there have been several previous Time Wars, but that all traces of them have been removed from history. One such war is mentioned in the Virgin New Adventures novel Sky Pirates! by Dave Stone, an ancient conflict fought between the Doctor's people, the Time Lords, and other races, including one known as the Charon.
The Time War was first alluded to in the first episode of the 2005 series, Rose. There, the Ninth Doctor explained to his latest companion, Rose Tyler, that the reason behind the Nestene Consciousness' invasion of Earth was because its food planets were destroyed in a war. Later in the episode, the Doctor stated that he fought in the war, but he was unable to save the Nestenes' planet.
In the following episode, The End of the World, set five billion years in the future, Jabe of the Forest of Cheem expressed amazement that the Doctor still even existed, implying that the war had consequences up and down history. At the end of that episode, the Doctor confessed to Rose that the war had destroyed his home planet of Gallifrey and left him the only surviving Time Lord.
In the third episode, The Unquiet Dead, the Doctor encountered the ghostly Gelth, aliens from another dimension whose bodies had been destroyed by the war. The Gelth said that the war was unseen by "lower species" but devastating to the "higher" ones.
In Dalek, the sixth episode, it was revealed that the Time Lords' adversaries in the war were the Daleks. The Doctor also referred to the conflict as "the last great Time War," implying that there had been others. What started the war was not stated, but executive producer Russell T. Davies commented in an episode of the documentary series Doctor Who Confidential that the origins of the war dated back to the 1975 serial Genesis of the Daleks, where the Time Lords sent the Fourth Doctor into the past in an attempt to avert the Daleks' creation or affect their development to make them less aggressive.
In any case, at the war's end, the Doctor was responsible for the destruction of the Dalek fleet, an action that also destroyed the Time Lords and Gallifrey. Although at least the single Dalek in Dalek had survived, the Doctor dismissed the possibility that other Time Lords may have survived as well, saying that he would have sensed it if they had.
The destruction of the Time Lords created a vacuum that may have left history itself more vulnerable to change. In The Unquiet Dead, the Doctor told Rose that time was in flux and history could change instantly — a more fluid definition to that which had been seen in earlier stories, which had implied that history was either immutable (The Aztecs) or capable of being changed only by very powerful beings (Remembrance of the Daleks).
The most dramatic demonstration of this was in Father's Day, when Rose created a paradox by saving her father's life just before he was supposed to be killed in a traffic accident. This summoned the terrifying Reapers, who descended to sterilise the "wound" in time by devouring everything in sight. The Doctor stated that if the Time Lords had been still around, they could have prevented or repaired the paradox. The consequences of creating a paradox were also why the Doctor could not go back in time and save the Time Lords.
Although the Doctor believed himself to be the last survivor of the Time War, in The Parting of the Ways he discovered that, in addition to the lone Dalek in Dalek, the Dalek Emperor itself had also survived, and had built a new Dalek race. Whether this means that other Time Lords may have survived as well is unclear.
It remains to be seen if the Time War will be further alluded to in the 2006 series.
The Doctor Who Annual 2006, published by Panini in August 2005 contained an article entitled Meet the Doctor by Russell T. Davies, which provides some additional background information on the Time War as seen in the television series. Although the canonicity of such material is debatable, the fact that Davies is the chief writer and executive producer of the television series may add some weight to the information given.
The article describes the Time Lord policy of non-intervention, but states that on a "higher level", they protected the time vortex and kept the peace. It further claims that two previous "Time Wars" had been fought: the first a skirmish between the Halldons (a race mentioned in the Terry Nation story We are the Daleks from the Radio Times 10th Anniversary Special, 1973) and the Eternals (Enlightenment). The second was the brutal slaughter of the Omnicraven Uprising, with the Time Lords intervening on both occasions to settle matters.
The conflict between the Daleks and the Time Lords is described as "the Great (and final) Time War". Initial clashes included the Dalek attempt to infiltrate the High Council of the Time Lords with duplicates (Resurrection of the Daleks), although the Daleks claimed that this was merely in retaliation for the Time Lords' sending of the Doctor back in time change Dalek history in Genesis of the Daleks.
The article says that historical records are uncertain, but mentions two specific events in the lead-up to the war. The first was an attempted Dalek-Time Lord peace treaty initiated by President Romana under the Act of Master Restitution (a possible reference to the otherwise unexplained trial of the Master on Skaro at the beginning of the 1996 Doctor Who television movie). The second was the Etra Prime Incident (The Apocalypse Element), which some say "began the escalation of events." Weapons used by the Time Lords included Bowships, Black Hole Carriers and N-Forms (the last from Davies' 1996 Virgin New Adventures novel Damaged Goods) while the Daleks wielded "the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth" (from the comic strip story Black Legacy by Alan Moore and David Lloyd, in Doctor Who Weekly #35-#3 and launched a massive fleet into the time vortex.
The timelines of lesser races and planets shifted without the inhabitants of the worlds affected being aware of the changes in history, as they were a part of them (presumably including humans). "Higher Species" who were able to notice the changes included the Forest of Cheem, who were distraught at the bloodshed; the Nestene Consciousness, which lost all its planets and further mutated; the Greater Animus; and the Eternals, who apparently fled this reality in despair, never to be seen again. The war lasted for years, and exactly how it ended was also not precisely known.
The article ends with a description of a monument to the Time War on a distant planet, upon which, under an image of a lone survivor walking away, the message "You are not alone" has been scratched, perhaps indicating that the Doctor was not the sole survivor of the conflict.
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Der Martin
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Wow. A groovy piece of research indeed! Congratulations and thanks ever so much. A full box of Jelly babies has been earned I feel!
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:46 am |
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Deako
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Der Martin, you only say that for two reasons:
1. If that is worth one box of JBs then you deserve hundreds.
2. Its true, excellent research.
Anyways, cheers Zhord!
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:07 am |
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Zhord
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Cheers, I shall enjoy those jelly babies indeed! I got the info from wikipedia
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